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Meme, gacked from flist:

List five fictional people -- from television, movies, books, whatever -- that you had a crush on as a child (or early teens). Then post this on your LiveJournal so other people can be assured that you're as weird as they thought.

I started doing this meme and then realised that limiting myself to five characters is not possible. I don't remember a time when I didn't have a crush or two (or three) on some character or other.

1. Unnamed tin soldier from a Scandinavian children book. I don't remember the crush, but my mother fondly reminisces on how I would blush and giggle when she read the tin soldier passages to me. I think he belonged to a boy named Nils, and he got lost, fell into a gully and fought sewage rats. So brave!

2. Edmund from "The Chronicles of Narnia" (traitor-turned-hero; and he's reasonable and sarcastic!)

3. Athos from "The Three Musketeers" (Book! Book!) (Cynical! Tortured! Mysterious! Drunk!)

4. Brian de Bois-Gilbert from "Ivanhoe" (Book!) (The hottest character Alan Rickman's never played. Hot-blooded and sadistic. Proud and selfish. Intelligent. Redeemable! He's the true hero of the novel, not the bland Ivanhoe.)

5. Havelock Vetinari from the Discworld novels ("I will have silence!" *melts*)


1. Remington Steele from "Remington Steele" (British. Stylish. Thin and dark-haired.)

2. Scott Favor from "My Own Private Idaho" (Leather collar. Has sex with men.)

3. Gilbert Grape from "What's Eating Gilbert Grape" (Apart from the fact that Johnny can sell me almost everything: His outburst of suppressed rage against Arnie just does it for me.)

4. Alexander Dane/Dr. Lazarus from "Galaxy Quest" ("By Grabthar's hammer!")

5. Puss-in-Boots from "Shrek 2" (Who can resist a fluffy, purring killing machine? And look at his wee lil' boots!)



And on a similar note (and because I don't want memes to be the only thing that appear on my LJ these days), I want to take the opportunity to talk about another major crush, which is so obvious that I didn't include it in the list.

[livejournal.com profile] neotoma asked about how authors would cope with writing Remus seeing as his character is largely defined by inaction and that his passivity gets in the way of action while trying to write a fic.

I, obviously, like to write Remus. I did have problems writing him when I started up as a HP writer, but now I've found my Remus and enjoy this character immensely, because his passive-aggression is a source of great amusement to me.

There can be hardly any doubt that Remus acts only reluctantly and only if there is absolutely no other way. However, this quality exactly is what I like about him and about writing him. The fun thing about writing Remus is that I can make him say all sort of nice inoffensive nothings while I know and the other characters know (and hopefully the reader too) that he really means something entirely different. Remus can drive a person up the wall without changing the tone of his voice, which is something that amuses me greatly and which I love using in fics.

You know how many fans say that they love Snape because of his snarky, caustic sarcasm? Personally, I find Remus' method of insulting without insulting much more appealing.

The key to Remus' character is that he is highly indifferent about most things. He doesn't seem to want. Consequently, if you want to make him act, you need to put him in a situation where he really wants something (difficult) - or in a situation where acting is the right thing to do and people are watching. Remus acts rarely, but if he does, he acts correctly (most of the time at least). He gives the impression of following a manual: A child faints? Give him chocolate. A woman cries? Give her an handkerchief and a pat on the back. Think writing an android who's been programmed to copy human behaviour patterns without understanding them. Or a Jane Austen anti-hero, with smooth, plausible manners that hide an abyss of wickedness.

Also, Remus has a sense of humour that appeals to me. He often seems as though he was privately amused about things - sometimes things he's just said. For me, this speaks of an ability for introspection to a high degree. Remus realises the absurdity of the world around him.

I was pondering the question of how different brands of humour appeal to different people in the fandom and how people recognise humour in some characters, while it is completely lost on others. Personally, I think Remus and Bill have a great sense of humour, even though they never actually make jokes of a flashy nature. Ron and Harry have both a self-depreciating, dark sense of humour that I like a lot. Ron makes me laugh quite frequently.

Draco, on the other hand, I don't find funny at all. My musings on different brands of humour were actually triggered by somebody's comment in which they stated that they like Draco's sharp remarks regarding Hagrid (I think). I don't get this at all. It's not that I think Draco hurts other people's feeling and thus I don't laugh at him. I don't laugh at him not because he is mean, but because he is not funny. Mimicking someone's speech impediments is not funny, nor is saying thigs like "You're fat and your mother is stupid," which is the level around which Draco's 'witticisms' usually revolve. I could find him funny if his remarks were hurtful and cutting, but as it is, they're just stupid.

Snape, now, Snape's got potential. He's certainly very smooth-tongued and I would appreciate his sarcasm - if he didn't direct it against children. This is so pathetic. I think my affinity for Snape/Black derives to a great degree from my wish to give him a field to exercise his skills. It is rather telling that I find Snape most appealing during the confrontation with Umbridge where she wants more Veritaserum which he cannot (and doesn't want to) deliver: In this scene he employs Remus' method of polite indifference and he applies it against his (at that time) superior. What can I say? I so dig this.

looong post!

Date: 2005-02-03 04:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rosina-alcona.livejournal.com
Oh! I did a similar meme on [livejournal.com profile] kaalee recently, but without the tv bit:

1)Jan from 'The Silver Sword'.

2)Mark Herron from 'Then there were five' - Elizabeth Enright. He was an orphan! Who lived with a mean ol' drunk cousin! Who made him milk cows! and he was LOVELY!

3) Dick from The Famous Five (Enid Blyton)- just a bit less pompous than Julian.

4) Prince Caspian - he's hot, brave, hot, royal and hot!

5)Phillip Bosinney from The Forsythe Saga. H saved Irene from her horrible husband and sexed her up and he died tragically.

But really, that is only the tip of the iceberg...I could go on and on and on...

TV:

1) Tristan from 'All Creatures Great and Small' so embarrassing, but I was about 6!

2)The oldest son in 'The Sullivans'. (John?) He died tragically in the war! And Kitty was sad for the longest time! as was I.

3) Bobby from Twin Peaks. All that leather and angst.

4) He-Man. No further comment, thank you!

5) Mike from Neighbours (Guy Pearce). Who I continue to fall in love with on a regular basis, in all roles...

Yes. The famed Draco snark. Which is entirely the creation of fandom. Because, as you say, he is decidedly unfunny in canon. He does lame impressions and his typical response in an argument is 'Y tu mama tambien!' Although props to the boy who plays him in the films (can't remember his name - wtf?) because he does make me laugh. He really seems to get him!

But Ron I find hilarious. One of my favourite Ron-bits is when Dean asks him how he and Harry managed to get the two best looking girls in their year to go to the ball with them.

'Animal magnetism' replied Ron gloomily, pulling stray threads out of his cuffs.

Slays me every time. *g*

Re: looong post!

Date: 2005-02-03 05:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donnaimmaculata.livejournal.com
The animal magnetism line is a killer! I also love Ron's commentaries on Trelawny's classes - "Ahh! Two neptunes mean that a midget in glasses will be born!" (paraphrased) Never fails to make me laugh.

There are people who do find canon!Draco funny, which I find a bit odd. But then again, I find Hagrid cuddly, which a huge chunk of the fandom finds odd in turn.

As far as I remember, I crushed on Julian rather than Dick. And Prince Caspian fell victim to my uncontrollable teenage libido too at some point. But who didn't? Really, I fell for each and every moderately attractive fictional male I ever encountered. Could this be the reason why I always loved to read? Hm... I am the last person to comment on your He-Man crush. I think it was Man-at-Arms for me.

Good idea to add explanations to the crushes. I'll add them to mine, too.

Re: looong post!

Date: 2005-02-03 05:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rosina-alcona.livejournal.com
The midget in glasses! Ah, yes, another brilliant line. I posted a bit randomly the other week that made me laugh as well...(shows the contrast between Draco and Ron at least) here

Julian I always found too bossy. I think Dick used to make jokes. Mind you, I haven't read one for around 20 years (eeek!!!) so I'd have to check on that!

Edmund from the Chronicles - oh yes. He was the only one who wasn't an irritating goody-goody. And HOT when he grew up, too! Of course, Shasta came in for a little of my loving as well, lucky boy.

Man at arms?? Actually, if we're going down this road, then: Lion-o (from Thundercats) hehehe!

Re: looong post!

Date: 2005-02-03 05:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donnaimmaculata.livejournal.com
I don't remember much about Julian and Dick, either, but I think Julian was tallish with dark hair. Yes, this is more than sufficient.

There is definitely a sense of hotness around Edmund. He's still high up on my list of crushes, even though it's been ages since I read the books. There's a boy who made a lasting impression.

Re: looong post!

Date: 2005-02-03 06:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rosina-alcona.livejournal.com
'King Edmund the Just'. Or the Just Too Hot. I'm going to have to read 'The Horse and his Boy' again tonight! And he made me love turkish delight and for that I adore him.

And I won't now go on ff.net and look for Edmund fic. I WON'T.

Re: looong post!

Date: 2005-02-03 06:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donnaimmaculata.livejournal.com
I got an Edmund/Caspian fic for the Yuletide exchange. It's rather sweet, really, and it's Edmund-centred (http://www.yuletidetreasure.org/archive/10/thirst.html)

I am quite focused on the Pevensie siblings when it comes to the Narnia Chronicles. Never really got into the swing of the other stories. I don't even remember having read The Horse and his Boy, hough I'm sure I must have, because I'm methodical like that. If I read a series, I make sure to read all parts of it.

But now I want to read Prince Caspian and The Voyage of the Treader of Dawn.

Re: looong post!

Date: 2005-02-03 07:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rosina-alcona.livejournal.com
that was really nice. But being me, I wanted them to get their willies out! I am shameful, really.

I just mentioned The Horse and His Boy because it's got a good bit of Grown-up!Edmund in it, which is lovely.

Re: looong post!

Date: 2005-02-03 07:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donnaimmaculata.livejournal.com
I don't remember ever having read any Grown-up!Edmund at all. Weird. Maybe it was in my horse-loving phase and I got my focus all wrong?

I wouldn't have minded a some willie action, either, but I thought the story was quite cute anyway.

Re: looong post!

Date: 2005-02-03 07:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rosina-alcona.livejournal.com
horse-loving?? *sporfle*

Maybe it's ME getting mixed up, but I could have sworn Edmund was there when Shasta got mistaken for Corin...no, he definitely is.

Re: looong post!

Date: 2005-02-03 08:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donnaimmaculata.livejournal.com
I'm sure you're right. As I said, I don't even remember having read the book.

Yes, horse-loving. Did you never loved horses and had pony posters on the wall? I don't think I loved them in a romantic sense, though, unless I was being a horse myself. And I was a horse every now and then, as I was a cat and a fish. Bird didn't work out so well as I ended up with a bloody nose.

Re: looong post!

Date: 2005-02-03 08:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rosina-alcona.livejournal.com
never did the horse-loving thing. I did the ballerina-loving thing though! Although I was the most atrocious dancer you could hope to imagine.

I was never an animal. I was a water-baby and I was an orphan for a few months, and would only eat potatoes with my hands. (because I was starving - ah, the logic). Oh, and I was a stunt man. Thankfully the stunts usually took place in a sand pit, so no bloody nose for me...

Our poor mothers. We were never going to be normal were we?

Re: looong post!

Date: 2005-02-03 08:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donnaimmaculata.livejournal.com
Ooh, I did the ballerina-loving thing, too! But only briefly. My attempts didn't include so much the dancing as the stretching - I was very impressed how flexible the ballerinas were.

Come to think of it, chose very traditional careers as a child: fairy, princess, fairy princess... I was obsessed with veils, considering them all the rage among princesses.

Our poor mothers. We were never going to be normal were we?

As far as I remember, my parents encouraged the madness. Might have been resignation, though.

We should start a self-help group for those whose childhood personas affected their sanity for the rest of their lives.

Re: looong post!

Date: 2005-02-03 08:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rosina-alcona.livejournal.com
we totally should.

I too was a princess. I had two net curtains, and a nightgown of my mother's. And I was a french woman called Fifi (who on reflection sounds like a prostitute!)

This is why we cannot now function normally. Not only do we have 'White Knight' syndrome, we have a little known version, where we want the Knight to ride up, then ride us, and then bugger off again, leaving us to our happy/insane lives!

Re: looong post!

Date: 2005-02-04 01:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donnaimmaculata.livejournal.com
then ride us, and then bugger off again

Heh! Well, they can also proceed to buggering each other, as far as I'm concerned.

Re: looong post!

Date: 2005-02-03 06:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skylark97.livejournal.com
The Horse and his Boy

I loved that book! And I had a huge childhood crush on Shasta. He just went into everything thinking 'I have no idea what the hell I'm doing, but here we go anyway.'

Re: looong post!

Date: 2005-02-03 06:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rosina-alcona.livejournal.com
yes, yes! and there is a bit of lovely Edmund in that too!

And Corin is a honey as well

Re: looong post!

Date: 2005-02-03 06:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ellensmithee.livejournal.com
3) Dick from The Famous Five (Enid Blyton)- just a bit less pompous than Julian.

I loved Julian beyond all reason, but that was 30 years ago, and I can't for the life of me remember why.

Re: looong post!

Date: 2005-02-03 06:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rosina-alcona.livejournal.com
I know what you mean. I have to get my paws on a famous five book immediately and rekindle my, erm, feelings for Dick.

And no, of course that isn't inappropriate in a 29 year old...

Date: 2005-02-03 06:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neotoma.livejournal.com
Or a Jane Austen anti-hero, with smooth, plausible manners that hide an abyss of wickedness.

I'm still trying to get my head around the idea of Remus Lupin as Wickham.

Date: 2005-02-03 06:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donnaimmaculata.livejournal.com
Somehow, I can see him as William Elliot from Persuasion. The man who knows he did wrong in his youth and who, while not repenting what he did, has come to the realisation that it's more clever to hide his true beliefs and act cautiously and in accordance with the public's expectations.

Date: 2005-02-03 06:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skylark97.livejournal.com
I love the way you see Remus. (I still have the idea of him as scarless stuck in my head and how that might affect his personality from one other post you made about that ages ago...) And Amen to him and Ron being funny. They just are!

Think writing an android who's been programmed to copy human behaviour patterns without understanding them.

That looks so bizarre and yet it seems so true.

Date: 2005-02-03 06:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donnaimmaculata.livejournal.com
I have Remus mapped out, I tell you!

I bet Remus is dead charming if he sets his mind to it. And I somehow see Ron as a younger and more insecure version of Bill, which has no foundation in canon whatsoever, but I like to think of him this way.

And it's so very gratifying to know that my idle musings on Remus strike the right chord with you :-)

The android concept evolved from the idea that Remus seems to use a manual for correct interaction. I don't think he lacks any emotional capacity, but his actions are so careful and conscious as though he was constantly performing for others.
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Date: 2005-02-03 11:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donnaimmaculata.livejournal.com
I so used to crush on Keanu Reeves in his Idaho days. Scott and Mike were my first serious slash pairing, but it didn't stop me from Mary-Sueing myself into Scott's life.

You know how we wears the collar and his leather jacket and no shirt? And how he played with River's nipples after they pretended to have sex when the house was raided?

I don't think this meme was good for me. It's brought up unhealthy memories.

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Date: 2005-02-03 11:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donnaimmaculata.livejournal.com
River was the better and more serious actor, but Keanu was hot. I loved the hair and the eyes. Come to think of it, he was probably my major teenage crush.

The kissing scene had me melt into a sad puddle of goo. I was so impressed by all the hotness that I didn't care for Scott's abandoning Mike.

A gay friend of my then boyfriend's and an avid biker also loved the film because Scott was riding a seriously cool motorbike. It never occurred to me that MOPI could be important for the gay community. It was just a cool film with pretty boys touching. Weird, eh?

And I definitely need to get the DVD.

Date: 2005-02-03 12:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] babycakesin.livejournal.com
yes! that's it! there's something very 'taken from a Jane Austen novel' about him! damn you're good...

I think Remus and Bill have a great sense of humour, even though they never actually make jokes of a flashy nature. Ron and Harry have both a self-depreciating, dark sense of humour that I like a lot. Ron makes me laugh quite frequently.

amen! Now I have to go and find some HP books if you don't mind *craving*

Date: 2005-02-03 11:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donnaimmaculata.livejournal.com
You know I used elements of Darcy for Remus in Genesis *g* He seems Austenian because he's so very English, I assume. He never says what he means, and neither do her characters. Not that I'm an Austen expert. I merely know passages off by heart and use them for my LJ name. And title. And subtitle. And friendspage.

Don't you have the novels with you in NZ? You poor thing! *sends virtual chocolate*

Date: 2005-02-04 01:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] babycakesin.livejournal.com
*grins stupidly* yeah, I noticed the Darcy ressemblance...

No I don't have them! :( they were too heavy for me to take! I had to pack on clothes and useful stuff instead (stupid 20 kilos policy!) *rolls eyes* And apparently HP is not part of my flatmates' readings *shakes head in disbelief* But apart from that they're cool, so hurray.

Date: 2005-02-04 02:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donnaimmaculata.livejournal.com
Looking at it from the bright side, you have now the opportunity to convert innocent and unspoiled victims to the woderful world of HP perviness.

I'm very happy for you. Cool flatmates are Very Important Indeed.

Date: 2005-02-04 02:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] babycakesin.livejournal.com
I already got them hooked on Lost. And they're LotR addicts. There's only so much converting one can do in a forthnight - I'll save it for March *evil grin*

Date: 2005-02-04 02:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donnaimmaculata.livejournal.com
It's always important to have a goal in life *g*

Date: 2005-02-04 02:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] babycakesin.livejournal.com
*giggles* it's not like I'm trying to convert them to Bollywood or anything!

*ponders*

*scrambles* 'April: Bollywood'...

Yeah, i'm really not that bad as a roommate, honest!

Date: 2005-02-04 02:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donnaimmaculata.livejournal.com
You're on a mission! Bringing culture to the remote regions of Down Under.

Date: 2005-02-04 02:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] babycakesin.livejournal.com
*giggles* boy, they wouldn't like to hear you talk like that! but it's not like I'm attacking them with stinky cheeses or anything! :p

okay, if you could, what would you convert people around you to?

Date: 2005-02-03 01:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soawen.livejournal.com
Brian de Bois-Gilbert from "Ivanhoe"

Yes! Yes! Yes! The tragic love! The bastard-ness! *swoons*

Also, must get around to watch My Own Private Idaho. I can see I'm missing a great deal ;)

Date: 2005-02-03 11:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donnaimmaculata.livejournal.com
Oh, I'm so glad you understand my obsession with Brian de Bois-Gilbert! Apart from the sexy bastardness - I love how he understands that he's not in a war between Christians and the infidel, but that it's all about money and power. Quite unlike Ivanhoe, who's convinced he's fighting for the side of Light.

You definitely have to watch Idaho. Not only because of leather-clad Keanu Reeves kissing River Phoenix, but also because it is a really beautifully shot film. (I thought this should be mentioned at some point, to make the whole conversation sound a tad bit more mature.)

Date: 2005-02-12 08:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soawen.livejournal.com
*nods* Brian de Bois-Gilbert is the right shade of grey (also known as realistic) to seem like a person instead of an ideal.

I'm always for sale when it comes to beautiful boys making out -ly made films ;) I'm written up for the dvd at the library just because you recommend it - it had better be good!

Date: 2005-02-12 09:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donnaimmaculata.livejournal.com
It is good. It's got Keanu Reeves in a leather collar kissing boys. - Or did you mean the artistic quality?

Date: 2005-02-12 03:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soawen.livejournal.com
...Sorry, what was the last part after 'leather collar'?

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